Chakra hits top 100 at distrowatch.org

honor · 2012-02-21 02:28:13

The problem with new users is that you can't really "select" which you want. The next problem is the forums being overrun by dumb questions, and if devs can't keep up with them, we loose the most precious feature of Chakra.

There are a lot of things that I'd like to go through in this important discussion, but I'll keep to the basics: the challenge of Chakra is focused on Tribe and Akabei/Shaman.

1- Tribe: being KISS is awesome, but Chakra let users install their systems with less (a lot less) pain than Arch. When I tried the latter, soon learned that it wouldn't even include the ondemand governor in power management, my fans kept on blowing fast out of the box. I really felt that my former Gentoo system was easier to manage (though I don't mind compiling everything like others). Plus, Chakra doesn't make a jihad against closed drivers and codecs like Fedora, it's easy to make simple things just work. But will it support exotic installs like RAIDs and LVM?

2- Akabei/Shaman: communication is key if you want users to “find their way”. Pacman has a lot of output that appset-qt lacks. How is a user supposed to know that an optional dependency is lacking? Besides, how can a user go to system setting and discover what is lacking? Not to mention the horror that system setting is nowadays.Can devs manage some kind of integration between system settings and the installer? If the user request network file sharing, can it automatically download samba, or at least point to some wiki?

As Abveritas, I like it simple: don't have swap, don't user a printer, don't fileshare. But I do see a better distro for all if things communicate better.

And contrary to Phil, I don't see Chakra having a server offspring anytime soon: it can't handle even partitioning smoothly yet, and its focus is KDE centric, thus, naturally desktop centric.

eyome · 2012-02-21 19:39:36

honor wrote:

And contrary to Phil, I don't see Chakra having a server offspring anytime soon: it can't handle even partitioning smoothly yet, and its focus is KDE centric, thus, naturally desktop centric.

Phil wants to dev a server section? Why? For Owncloud maybe?
Anyway, I think this discussion is too important to stay in this topic...

boom1992 · 2012-02-22 17:48:58

Hey!

Just to clear up the confusion:
There were a lot of personal opinions on the mailing list, this does not mean that the chakra project is going to follow these. I don't think there has been a 100% outcome in the discussion, but the majority was for keeping it the way it is.

To honor: The systemsettings thing is not as easy to do, as usually the kcms are not installed when the basic functionality/library is not. But obviously things like that are what will be a key part in user friendliness, I guess we will look into that once we have Akabei/Shaman running. (Whenever that'll be )

Lukas

philm · 2012-02-22 20:14:59

Mailing-list includes also personal opinions and ideas which might never land the market. A server-edition might be possible, but not now. First we have to fix the partitioning issue in tribe and other stuff. Maybe in the future ...

honor · 2012-02-23 00:57:43

Gentlemen, we are all talking about opinions, in a respectfull and open way. In no moment have I implied which direction Chakra is following, just highlighted different points of view from the devs. I shouldn't be addressing the devs' list just to express my opinion, the forums are a better place for that.

But there's been a little tension between boys and girls lately, the former wanting fast innovation, the latter, stability and joint goals. As you all know, although there has been a lot of community voting, the progress of a distro is tightly related to developers' motivation. Really wish the party to remain coherent and happy.

I've been around for just one year, but ever since, Chakra can "eat somebody's hamster". KDE partition manager has just one developer, and not very active. Even if devs don't think Chakra is ready for the mainstream, actual users would really benefit from not worrying about their hamsters. Just my 2 cents...

PS: I don't sneak the irc channels

Spectra · 2012-02-23 02:22:35

Hello, I'm pretty new to Chakra and everything but I just wanted to add in my 2 cents to this thread. I'm entirely new to Linux as a whole, this is my 2nd month running it. So far it's been really great, every now and then I hit a bump in the road where I don't know how to do something simple, but everytime I've logged into IRC there has been someone there to help me. The learning curve hasn't been very steep, except for the Pacman system, that has been pretty complicated to my simple Windows 7 brain. Other than that, everything has been pretty intuitive and simple. One of the things I like about Linux is the fact that I can do whatever on it. Windows is very closed in, only so many options to customize stuff. With Linux, I can easily drop things into the taskbar or create a new shortcut for something.

What I guess I'm trying to say is that even though it may be complicated for new people to learn, it's not impossible. With the help of abveritas and tetris4 on IRC, I've been able to do anything I want with Chakra. If you just put your mind to it and ask for some help, Chakra has so much potential.

EDIT: Oh yeah, updating is much simpler. Just typing in pacman -Syu is much easier than using window's update system that hates all people.

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george · 2012-02-23 02:35:43

Oh yeah, updating is much simpler. Just typing in pacman -Syu is much easier than using window's update system that hates all people.

So true. If only I could use pacman on the windows machines I admin. It'd save hours...

Good luck with Linux!

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Spectra · 2012-02-23 02:43:04

Yeah, and it tells me exactly what it is updating, that is useful. Windows is always cryptic as hell about what they want to change. As long as Tetris4 and Abveritas remain healthy and don't disappear off IRC, I'll be good.

IsmaelVC · 2012-02-23 06:30:03

Wowww take a look at this!!!

http://dantti.wordpress.com/2012/02/22/ … -plasmoid/

boom1992 · 2012-02-23 10:29:03

Hehe! I thought your post was alright Just was answering some questions which came up

I obviously don't think it has anything to do with Girls vs Boys And don't worry, we'll find a concensus

Lukas

honor wrote:

Gentlemen, we are all talking about opinions, in a respectfull and open way. In no moment have I implied which direction Chakra is following, just highlighted different points of view from the devs. I shouldn't be addressing the devs' list just to express my opinion, the forums are a better place for that.
But there's been a little tension between boys and girls lately, the former wanting fast innovation, the latter, stability and joint goals. As you all know, although there has been a lot of community voting, the progress of a distro is tightly related to developers' motivation. Really wish the party to remain coherent and happy.
I've been around for just one year, but ever since, Chakra can "eat somebody's hamster". KDE partition manager has just one developer, and not very active. Even if devs don't think Chakra is ready for the mainstream, actual users would really benefit from not worrying about their hamsters. Just my 2 cents...
PS: I don't sneak the irc channels

abveritas · 2012-02-23 14:08:31

boom1992 wrote:

Hehe! I thought your post was alright Just was answering some questions which came up
I obviously don't think it has anything to do with Girls vs Boys And don't worry, we'll find a concensus
Lukas

To show, that is not the case at all, I can tell you that, yes for core/platform 'm for slow rolling, well tested before updating (truly following the half release model), but so are most on the team. For desktop and apps, I was the one that kept working the most on making sure Qt 4.8 could be released with KDE 4.8.0 , not skip KDE 4.8.0 bc of some issues with this combination.

Caldazar · 2012-02-23 15:19:56

Another indicator of Chakra's growing success.

Alejandro Nova · 2012-02-23 15:54:05

Caldazar wrote:

Another indicator of Chakra's growing success.

Let's compare fairly.

Arch Linux
Gentoo
PCLinuxOS... WE WIN!
Mandriva
Linux Mint

If I type Fedora or Ubuntu, the Chakra Linux line doesn't even appear.

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Caldazar · 2012-02-23 16:00:54

I added Ubuntu to the comparison with Mint.

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Alejandro Nova · 2012-02-23 16:05:16

Well, at least we are more popular right now than PCLinuxOS.

Let's see how we fare against KDE distros.

OpenSUSE, quite depressing.
Kubuntu, the same thing.

Well, we can consider the fact that our blue line appears at all in those graphs as an achievement.

Alejandro Nova · 2012-02-23 16:13:06

And now, medium and small sized distros.

Sabayon trumps us.
Bodhi Linux is a mirror of our evolution.
Fuduntu, the Fedora 14 fork. We win.
Pinguy Linux. We only surpassed them with Archimedes.
Vector Linux, the Slackware derivative. It was once popular, but now, it's different.
MEPIS has lost a LOT of traction. We are now more than MEPIS, but we are still far from what MEPIS once was.
Pardus. We are reaching them, but mostly because they are losing traction.

Linux Ultimate Edition wasn't tested. because the results were essentially distorted by the fact that some guys still speak about "Windows 7 Ultimate Edition". That's enough to distort the sample.

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Spectra · 2012-02-23 18:21:28

But Pardus is also an online game so when you search for "Pardus" you get many results right?

Alejandro Nova · 2012-02-23 19:00:24

Spectra wrote:

But Pardus is also an online game so when you search for "Pardus" you get many results right?

And the peak for Sabayon was a New York Times article in 2007, so that method is flawed.

In the spirit of opensource, can you give me better ways to measure a distro popularity?

Teho · 2012-02-23 20:25:38

Alejandro Nova wrote:

PCLinuxOS... WE WIN!

No we don't because it's not pclinux but PCLinuxOS.

Comparing distribution popularity is absolutely pointless because every method has extremely large margin of error and therefor tells us nothing.

Spectra · 2012-02-23 21:20:44

Alejandro Nova wrote:

Spectra wrote:
But Pardus is also an online game so when you search for "Pardus" you get many results right?
And the peak for Sabayon was a New York Times article in 2007, so that method is flawed.
In the spirit of opensource, can you give me better ways to measure a distro popularity?

Matter of fact, all of the references to "Sabayon" in that link were referring to a food dish, except the last one (Which also happened to be the lowest rated one). I'm not sure how to compare them though.

Caldazar · 2012-02-23 23:18:11

Of course this isn't exact science we are doing here, just fun.
But these are indicators nevertheless.

If someone searches for sabayon and gets a lot of desserts presented, the next thing he'll do is to search for sabayon linux.
I think with that in mind you get fairly accurate comparisons. Still only one part of the puzzle.

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carlosM · 2012-02-24 04:09:54

Caldazar wrote:

Of course this isn't exact science we are doing here, just fun.
But these are indicators nevertheless.
If someone searches for sabayon and gets a lot of desserts presented, the next thing he'll do is to search for sabayon linux.
I think with that in mind you get fairly accurate comparisons. Still only one part of the puzzle.

Since we are having fun!

http://www.google.com/trends/?q=linux,+ … all&sort=0

Disappointing but funny!!!

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