Why Isn't GNOME Listening? [article]

ngativ · 2012-03-06 00:15:17

This is one is a month old now, but is very interesting to read.

What has GNOME learned from user reactions to GNOME 3? Apparently, only how to ignore feedback.

Bruce Byfield's articles are very good.

honor · 2012-03-06 01:49:20

What I find most interesting is that they saw what happened in KDE, and promised that it would be different in Gnome. And it ended different: much worse than KDE's transition...

KnusperKeks · 2012-03-06 05:22:58

I disagree, KDE 4.0 was a desaster because the developers released an alpha Version full of Bugs. KDE 4 was unusable...I was one of the retards who "upgraded" and at this time I was angry because i couldn't understand how someone can release an Alpha...and lets be honest the 4.0 release was huge...KDE went from most used DE to nearly death. But i never disliked the "idea" behind KDE's Plasma

In Gnome 3 or worse Unity...ppl don't disagree with its look (Of course always some ppl dislike some looks) they just cant make it work the way they want it. I'm lucky cause I can see ppl working with Gnome 3 (fedora)and KDE(suse) their is always the same thing happening...while in KDE ppl click around and slowly find things out in Gnome they just look around for 10 minutes and then they start looking at the same places again and again cause they cant understand that they cant change certain things.

Its like the dog looking always in the same place for food even it knows its not their....it still keeps looking.

Caldazar · 2012-03-06 09:51:36

I recently installed Fedora for my dad. I showed him Ubuntu, Fedora and Chakra and he chose Fedora for the exact reasons, experienced users criticize Gnome 3.
Of course he still calls me 3 times a day to help him out with problems, so I live in both worlds, Gnome and KDE.

Although I couldn't work with Gnome 3 on my desktop, I can see their point. Mobile is the hype nowadays and it is for a reason.
95 % of people don't want a computer, they never did. They wanted a gadget all the time.
As far as they are concerned it's in the same category as a video player for instance.

Now imagine an ad for a video player going like: "The configuration possibilities will blow your mind. Menu over menu and even a menu to tweak the menus. You'll spend thousands of hours to make it look and work just the way you want".

You see the point? It's not that Gnome tried to address the hackers and failed. They address folks who simply are scared away by stuff we love.
For the user group they are targeting they did a great job in my opinion and we have things like Chakra and KDE (funny enough being criticized lately with the wrong user group in mind also, just from the opposite angle).

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KnusperKeks · 2012-03-06 10:07:20

Of course with private users who watch movies etc gnome 3 is good. I was talking about workstations at my company.
And you are right most not so experienced users love unity and gnome.

honor · 2012-03-06 12:21:22

Perfectly agree that the reasons why KDE and Gnome broke with the community are different, but the problem is the same: communication and expectation. KDE users wanted a new version also stable. Gnome users wanted a new version also functional.

Plasma active is the right way of going mobile, they never broke the desktop version for it.

Alejandro Nova · 2012-03-06 13:29:24

The only difference: KDE 4 got more and more stable with every release; I don't see GNOME getting more and more functional with every release...

enoop · 2012-03-06 19:05:19

In my experience gnome is more polished. They work on a feature until the bugs are all worked out then move on to the next. I love kde, but I wish they would fix all the little bugs before moving on to some new feature.

ngativ · 2012-03-06 19:40:58

enoop wrote:

In my experience gnome is more polished. They work on a feature until the bugs are all worked out then move on to the next. I love kde, but I wish they would fix all the little bugs before moving on to some new feature.

In my experience, a bug free desktop is useless if you cant not use it.

honor · 2012-03-06 21:55:36

Alejandro Nova wrote:

The only difference: KDE 4 got more and more stable with every release; I don't see GNOME getting more and more functional with every release...

+1

Regarding "bugfreeness", some are due to QT, I do expect it to get better now there's a more open governance on the libraries.

Evildrake · 2012-03-12 03:18:11

Absolutely brilliant writeup. I just moved back to chakra, since gnome3 was driving me insane, even made me think of ditching linux altogether.

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